9:00:21 AM PDT Sunday, August 23, 1987 (BOB H.) HI (Sysop Tony) Good Morning. (BOB H.) YES I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF ANY ONE HAS TRANSLATED THE HIDDEN POWERS OF THE 100 FOR THE 200. (Sysop Tony) No.... but any good programmer for the 200 can make necessary conversions from the 100 book, using available matching ROM routine lists. (BOB H.) OK MY OTHER QUESTION IS IF I TRY TO USE MY 200 WITH THE TDD2 PLUGGED IN OFF OR ON IT FOULS UP MY LOGON WITH COMPUSERVE IS THIS A KNOWN BUG. (Sysop Tony) That seems to be an impossibility. .... I'm not saying it doesn't happen to you, but it's like saying I can't read a book because the refrigerator is running. There is no reason that having a disk drive plugged into the RS-232 port should prevent you from, or interfere with, use of the modem port. (BOB H.) WELL I GUESS THAT I WILL HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT FURTHER. (Sysop Tony) Phil, who's just joined us has a TDD-2, but not a 200. Phil, is there any reason that having a TDD2 connected to the RS-232 port, should interfere with logging onto CompuServe? (Phil) No, none that I know of. But I have not done so with it connected and the internal modem Will go try now on the other line and report back. (Sysop Tony) OK.. thanks. Meanwhile, ga Rush (R Caley) ok I've used the A&J Microdrive which connects to the RS 232 and never had any problems. (Sysop Denny) The STATs get messed with, don't they? If they didn't get }Hchanged back, it might be a problem. (Sysop Tony) Yes, status get's changed when you access a disk, but that wouldn't interfere with CompuServe logon, since you'd have to be in the right status in order to connect to the modem. (Sysop Denny) Ok, but if you've changed to 8 bit, when you do not have that set up in your defaults, it'll not logon. (Sysop Tony) I don't think that's the problem since you'd have to reset your status to M-whatever, before you could even get to the modem, to logon. The question involved problems with the auto-logon, ... (Phil) [test results await] (Sysop Tony) once connected... Let's hear some more commments. ga Bob ga. (Phil) [works fine!] (BOB H.) I ONLY DISCONNECTED THE TDD2 AND THIS TRIED AGAIN AND IT WORKED OK I HAD TRIED IT MORE THAN ONCE BEFORE DISCONNECTING THE TDD2 SO I DON'T THINK IT COULD BE THE STATS. (Phil) I just came in on my Model 100 with TDD2 atached and on using the internal modem. Worked fine! Should note, tho, that I did not have FLOPPY2 installed at the time, and possibly that does something -- since it plays with maxram. (Sysop Tony) Any more on that Bob? (BOB H.) NO I WILL HAVE TO TRY IT AGAIN MAYBE I'M DOING SOMETHING WRONG. (Sysop Tony) OK, Maybe it was a one time foulup. (BRIAN P.) Good morning or afternoon. Please identify topic: (Sysop Tony) No special topic today: Your choice! (BRIAN P.) Ah! good. Having logon problems. My 100 is not sending the password on CIS, using m7e1e and ?: as the prompt. Please help (Sysop Tony) You should use the lower case letter d. (BRIAN P.) I tried that too; doesn't work. (Sysop Denny) Hmm..On the 7E1E, try M7I1E. You'll probably get less errors. I was going to say use a small d also. (Sysop Tony) Brian, ... (BRIAN P.) thanks, tony! Might work elsewhere, but here in california, yes (Sysop Tony) show us EXACTLY what you are using from the ? on. And we'll see if we can spot an error. Because contrary to your experience, it does work. (BRIAN P.) M7E1E FOR PROTOCOL; ?:PASSWORD IT DID IN THE PAST great, I'll try the m7i1e and ?: or ?dpassword (Sysop Tony) Do you have ^M after the password? (BRIAN P.) yes (Sysop Tony) Well, there's no reason that it shouldn't work. CompuServe has not singled out your node, and changed the software. Either try again, or leave a message on the board, showing ... (BRIAN P.) That's what the phone company says Please thanks (Sysop Tony) your entire logon string, and let someone try to deciper it. It may be that you are using an illegal character in your string. (BRIAN P.) another topic regarding yes, I thought Bob was going to comment (BOB H.) I FOUND THAT SOME OF THE SPECIAL CHAR HAVE TO BE USED CAREFULLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE SPECIAL FUNCTIONS FOR AUTOLOG ON. (R Caley) ok In 1983, I copied the autolog from pg. 92 in the manual and never have changed since...I think the problem might be 1 of 2 things He may have forgotten the control C or the "=" sign or in a long text string he may have accidentally gotten a carriage return where the sequence is supposed to wrap around (BOB H.) NO MORE FROM ME. (BRIAN P.) Yes. Just to comment on the = suggestion. I currently insert the two second = before the ^C at the beginnning of the sign on, but no where else. Is that what has been referred to? (Sysop Tony) Yes You can insert the = sign anywhere in the string, and it's an illegal character in the password. (BRIAN P.) My turn? (Sysop Tony) Yes. I was answering your question. (BRIAN P.) Sorry, the operation of this CB is a bit erratic for me. Another topic when you get a chance regarding the System 100 a&J microdrive and use of hooked machine language and basic progrms (Sysop Tony) OK, Brian, let's put you back in the lineup, and we'll get back to those. (Gerald G) ok With the problems of my TDD2 I feel I should join Masochists Anonymous Perhaps we can see what the problems is here How can I determine if the TDD2 or utility disk is working....if the connecting cable is right (should be) I cannot even get an error code. (Sysop Tony) Phil, can you deal with this one? ga Phil (Phil) Well, gerald, we need to hear what IS happening and what you ARE doing, not what is not happening. I assume you are not able to boot FLOPPY. Right? (Gerald G) Yes, the cable that came with the portable disk drive 2 (Tandy) is in the 232c. (Phil) Forget the cable -- since that is pretty sturdy stuff. You must do the boot EXACTLY as specified - Utility disk must be write-protected (little tab window open). Drive must be OFF when you hit run after typing in the boot program: 10 RUN"COM:98N1E":SAVE"IPL" RUN Note also that the colon between " and Save is missing in the manual, and must be there. Are you doing this ALL as I just described, Gerald? (Gerald G) I think so, without that colon there is a SN error.... Also, I believe you said turn the drive off, type the program, turn drive on, type run and . Right? (Phil) NOPE -- type RUN and only then turn the drive on. (Sysop Tony) [RUN - Turn drive on] [Dumb!] (Gerald G) How can I determine if the drive or the utility disk is functioning I tried variations of what was said here and on the board? (Phil) Try it in another drive; try another Util disk -- substitution! Gerald ... (Gerald G) If I made a mistake how could I get a disk error code? (Phil) Have you EVER gotten it to work??? (Gerald G) No, no error codes, when the program is typed without the colon there is a ... (Phil) [Error codes are in FLOPPY -- must boot it before getting them!] (Gerald G) SN error, but no whatever variations I used there is nothing on the display. (Phil) Let me rephrase. Have you ever successfully loaded FLOPPY? (Gerald G) NO. (Phil) AH -- well that could be a hardware or disk defect. Take it back to RS and get them to deal with it. BTW -- what computer? (Gerald G) Tony, I am a novice at this perhaps even an alien and what is elementary to some of you is unknown to me. (Sysop Tony) Are you finished with that topic, Gerald? (Phil) Gerald, what computer? (Gerald G) Well, I will log off give it another try and see what happens, perhaps it is the software or hardware. (Sysop Tony) Gerald, what computer? (Gerald G) model 100. Using a model 4 at this moment. (Sysop Tony) OK.... editorial comment: You did fine, Gerald, no need to appologize for anything. In fact, you handled the CO like a pro. There are many who did not do as well as you. Many who fail to read either the CONFER.HLP file, or the NEWCO.HLP file in DL1 but come in, and don't know what's going on. Now, Bill is next, and Brian has some questions waiting. (Bill T) Two questions... first is... what would you all consider ... (Brian P.) Pardon me, but this procedure Who's one me or Bill? (Bill T) Marvin Miller's best program in the DL's? (Sysop Tony) Marvin's principle contribution has been the Auto-Email programs. He updates them by replacing the old with the new, so whatever is there is the latest in that series. (Bill T) so it's probably EMAIL.MMM? (Sysop Tony) I don't know. With over 3000 files available, we don't generally keep track of who wrote what or which of their files is "the Best". (Phil) [EM8SIG?] (Bill T) so I should go to DL3 and use S[PPN]... correct? (Sysop Tony) Yes, if you want to see what files have been written by a specific person. (Bill T) second question... how can an upload contain the wrong ID#... (Sysop Tony) What do you mean, "Wrong ID Number? (Bill T) When I recently uploaded WAND.100 to DL14 you said my ID# was not correct and that the contents of my upload was not correct, even after I used Phil's latest QKRCHK.CO to calculate the checksum... (Sysop Tony) Oh. In your file, you typed your name and PPN. When you typed the PPN you typed "85" instead of "75". Can't you see that in the copy you have there? If I change that here, by editing the file, I have to also change the description, to put in the new checksum number. While I CAN do it, it's not normally reasonable that folks should upload things, expecting the sysop to "fix it up" once it's here. Since upload time is free, it's better if you change the original file, and reupload it, yourself. (Bill T) That answers my questions... will make corrections and reupload I appreciate all your help, Tony... didn't realize what the problem was. (Sysop Tony) Oh, I see. You didn't catch my meaning that the error was IN the file! Sorry about that. I thought you'd check the file, and see it. (Bill T) Just toss m} prior uploads in the bit-bucket and I'll re-upload a corrected version... I'm all done. (Sysop Tony) OK Brian was next, with some very good questions. But he decided to leave, and so we have no one waiting. (Bill T) Club 100 wants to honor Marv by using his latest and best EMAIL program for our 'Program of the Week' so, wanted to make sure I have the right one. (Sysop Tony) I don't track such things, and he hasn't been very active here lately. Most likely because he's been very ill. (Sysop Denny) Actually, the email programs are just modifications of Ed Juge's original works the latest is really just a small modification. Marv's main original work is EM8SIG The current version is updated for use with the latest software. (Bill T) Thanks, Denny! end (Sysop Tony) OK.... Gerald is up next. ga Gerald (Gerald G) About the TDD2 and that is all for this week When the drive is turned on is the low battery indicator supposed to flash...mine doesn't... what about typing Maxfiles=2,, before the program. (Sysop Tony) That's likely to flicker as the circuits get power but it's not absolutely mandatory that it do that. After all, it's supposed to indicate low battery power. If it doesn't come on, your batteries are probably OK. I wouldn't worry about that; it's not likely to be the source of your problem. As for maxfiles, why would you want to set that to 2? Why not set the date to Feb 12, 1932? (Gerald G) Perhaps, you notice a board message to me to type maxfiles=2 before running the program or what did the writer mean? (Sysop Tony) I don't know. I didn't notice that message. But it seems to me that many users try to make this whole thing more complicated than it really is. If one follows the directions in the manual, it usually works out. In this case, the manual has a misprint in it, but that's been well documented. If you STILL can't get it to work, then it's not likely that "advice" will get it to work. Take it back! (Gerald G) Your last sentence before ga seems the most logical solution to the problem. Thank you. (Phil) Most defintitely, should take it back if you cannot get it to work even once! BTW -- by documented, Tony refers to the TD2TIP files in DL9. Good advise,there! ga and done (Sysop Tony) Plus the fact that it's been mentioned on the board ... (Gerald G) I read the file, can anyone define "cold start"? (Sysop Tony) several times, even by Dave Thomas. Who wants to define "cold start" for Gerald? (tee hee) (Bill H.) [brrr] (Phil) USEFUL.100 (DL7) does a good simulation! (Sysop Tony) No one, I guess... Gerald, a "Cold Start" is what we call it ... (Gerald G) Does that refer to the problem with the TDD2? (Sysop Tony) when something goes amiss in the computer, and it suddenly goes back to the main menu, and everything is gone. All the files, all the programs, are no longer~r listed on the main menu. It appears as if everything in memory has been wiped out. It's as if your machine was suddenly brain washed. The system pointers have all been reset to what they were when you first took the computer out of the box. However, all that stuff is still in RAM, and you can recover it ... probably.... if you do it right then, and know what to do. But it's a traumatic experience the first time. Since you can also do it intentionally, it's a quick method of wiping your memory clean, in preparation to doing someting else. (Gerald G) I believe there is a co. file in one of the dl about that? (Sysop Tony) There is a file in DL9 that tells how to recover. There is no file that I can think of that tells you how to intentionally cause a cold start. It's a direct BASIC CALL. (Gerald G) Do you know the file name to recover? (Sysop Tony) RECOVR.101. (DL9) (Gerald G) Thank you very much. (Sysop Tony) Well, it looks like it's slide time. WARNING!!! It's slide time! (Bill H.) [slides are better since you moved to gods country] (Sysop Tony) Hmmmm.... lots of philosphical insights relating to the phrase "God's Country". -- Just us sysop-type folks, and Bill here. If no one has any pressing questions, we might as well close this conference early, and save you all some connect charges. Any objections? (Phil) Anyone notice that just as Tony spelled backwards is ynoT, God spelled backwards is doG? Food for heavy thought! (Sysop Tony) There are a lot of interesting words like that LIVE is one of them. And "Lives" is an anagram of Elvis ... (Phil) [consider it as a verbal slide!] (Sysop Tony) which supposedly "proves" that Elvis is still alive! I like the oxymorons. those words, which used in a phrase, are self-cancelling like "Military Intelligence" anyone think of any more? (Phil) Well, sayonara -- back to my 52 page tome! (Bill H.) ok here goes as you probably have read there is a problem with SHOOTERS on the freeways in Los Angeles and ... (Sysop Tony) Don't blame ME... I left town. (Bill H.) Supervisor Hahn has the answer of banning the sale of TOY guns so I have come up with the idea of banning toy cars to eliminate smog and congestion on the streets. (Sysop Tony) That's a logical extension! Actually, the "Toy Gun" issue is an interesting question. there have been a number of cases where kids with toy guns have been mistaken for criminals and shot by police officers, who were acting in what they thought was self defense... a life threatening situation. While I'm not in favor of restricting guns themselves, I'd be in favor of doing something about the toy imitations. I understand there are now realistic imitations of Uzi machine guns, and several others, which are very difficult to tell from the real thing. (Bill H.) thats true... It is indicative of the atmosphere we now live in. everyone is running scared including the police (Dana Hyde) Great to see Portable 100 back! (Sysop Tony) Yes, I suppose so. ..... If they could get my subscription straightened out. Neither Denny nor I are getting it yet. Any more, Dana? (Dana Hyde) Only that I'm glad to see Eiji here, as a fellow DVI enthusiast. (Eiji) I haven't gotten my subscription, either ... (Sysop Tony) Really? I didn't know Eiji was interested in the DVI. (Eiji) and no one that I know of has received subscription No, I don't have DVI, Dana. (Dana Hyde) Sorry, I thought you did. (Sysop Tony) Eiji, it may because all three of us moved last year. Whatever was sent to the old address may have gone back undeliverable. .... I have written them, but no response. (Eiji) Well, I told them address change last Aug. (Sysop Tony) That may have been lost along with the 2 year renewal I sent in. When they stopped publishing, they may have also stopped working on the subscription lists. There was a while there that they continued to accept subsciptions, and money without publishing. (Dana Hyde) CW/P is trying hard to rectify the situation They can be reached at 603-924-9471. (Sysop Tony) Then why didn't they answer my letter? Hmmm? Hmmm? Hmmmm? We'll see. Looks like we're running out of time. Any last minute questions? (Eiji) Has anyone seen Sept. issue yet? (Sysop Tony) No, but I hear it's out ... (Dana Hyde) Yes, I have both Aug and Sept (Sysop Tony) and several subscribers got it in the mail. there's one now. (Eiji) ok. that's all. thanks. (Sysop Tony) OK Well, it looks like we're out of time for this morning's conference. So I'll end the formal conference now. Feel free to stick around and chat further, if you like. Thanks for coming this morning, we appreciate your input. Bye. *** END OF FORMAL CONFERENCE *** List of Participants: 70250,211 PETER 71266,125 Phil 71306,1557 LEE BAXTER 71450,750 Dean A. Hinnen 72217,541 Joshua 72300,3072 Bill H. 72316,647 R Caley 72527,765 Dana Hyde 73720,2567 BRIAN P. 73720,3203 MARTIN SMITH 73720,3226 CHARLES FEILDING 74240,127 MIKE WOODWARD 74425,231 Gerald G 75655,1056 Bill T 76317,1534 Kim Umbaugh 76626,225 BOB H. 76701,40 Sysop Denny 76703,4062 Sysop Tony 76703,4311 Eiji