10:59:10 AM EST Sunday, March 2, 1986 (larry l) How much does it cost to use cis from europe? (Sysop Tony) Basic rate = $6.25 per hour plus any network charges. Plus any prime time charges. I didn't see the "from Europe"... Mucho!!! (larry l) like how much? (Sysop .^Dave^.) larry, at times I've seen prices quoted but I just don't remember. Off hand, I'd say $15-$20 was what I heard but could be more. (Sysop Tony) (1200 lira per minute from Italy) (Sysop .^Dave^.) Eiji, what gets you up so early??? Planning to attend LAUGH meeting Eiji?? (Eiji) I missed this CO. Sure, I am going to be there for LAUGH. (Sysop .^Dave^.) Good OH!!! (rowlfe) you guys wanta version of backgammon and a version of Monopoly both written, or rather translated, into Microsoft basic from another dialect?? (larry l) yes!! (Sysop .^Dave^.) Sure 'nuff !!! And we have a member just about ready to send us a cribbage game for the 100 tooo ..... Rowlfe, were you aware that FORTH for the 100 has showed up here in your absence??? Mike Weiblen has done it again!!! (rowlfe) [interesting...] The games need quite a bit of cleaning up yet, but they both work and play reasonably fast. haven't had and will not have a chance to optimize much, so each runs up around 18k or so. promise to have in the mail by Friday. (Sysop .^Dave^.) would you like me to use Custom Software's BYTEFYTER program on it and delay publishing for a day or so checking it out thataway??? (rowlfe) Sure. If I had the program I would! (Sysop .^Dave^.) Okay!!! Will do!! (larry l) Does anyone have any experience with the A&J microdrive? it uses streaming tape. (Sysop .^Dave^.) one was in my house yesterday and t'was interesting to see the major change in the wafer tape since the Holmes wafer drive. Didn't have much chance to play, but I think the Tandy disk drive is a far better option (if Chipmunk is too expensive) due to support and expected growth. The AJ is a dead end really. No place to go; a mass storage device ONLY with not that much capacity. (larry l) if you mean support to be eventual sale of prog on disk i see what u mean, but i just need storage now. (Sysop .^Dave^.) More than just the idea of programs on disk, but the support in terms of enhancing the original product and getting it to work!!! We have dozens of files here in support of the TDD and we have five for the AJ. That is what I meant. There are public domain disk manager programs for the TDD and at least three commercial ones either available or about to be available. That is what I meant. (larry l) is any of those drives the best (Sysop .^Dave^.) Huh?? "any of those drives" do you mean the programs??? or do you mean TDD versus Chipmunk?? (larry l) any recommendation for a drive? (Sysop .^Dave^.) If $$$ is not the problem the Chipmunk is definitely the way to go due to read/write virtual random access and a great future .... (rowlfe) [after seeing one, I also agree.] (Sysop .^Dave^.) the TDD will grow into more than a super cassette recorder, but can never approach the Chipmunk's capability due to the inherent weakness of the built in OS but t'is the drive of recommendation on limited budget. On a very limited budget, the AJ makes a lot of sense but methinks most folks will end up by upgrading to a real drive, or getting rid of their Model 100 too!! (larry l) are the two media compatible..tdd>chip? (Sysop .^Dave^.) Nope!!! No compatibility at all!!! Would not astonish me if sumbaudee came up with a program that would allow the Chipmunk to read a TDD disk but not the other way around. NOT CURRENTLY POSSIBLE!!! (BOB S.) I've been having trouble getting Heilman's DSKMGR to boot up and operate on my system. (John s.) Me too!! (Sysop .^Dave^.) Bob, are you having the problem of trying to run the .CO program and just getting BEEP and return to Menu?? (BOB S.) yes, that's right (Sysop .^Dave^.) Aha!!!!! This will occur with many .CO programs and the simple way to handle it is to go into basic and use the command .... LOADM "DSKMGR" or whatever the program name is; you will then get the addresses of the file and an OM error message. Say the "Start" is 58900 Now you just use the command CLEAR 256,58900 then return to the Menu and the program will run. Good idea to maintain a Basic program that will handle that for you. Also, see FLIPML in DL 4. (John s.) I get an FC error rpt. trying to change via CHANGE.BA WHERE DO I GO FROM HERE? (Sysop .^Dave^.) for us to help we need to know more details ... FC in what line ??? after issuing what command ??? working on what file ??? and who dated your sister last night ??? et cetera. (John s.) Working on DOSHEX, don't remember line# , but the command was just highlighting DOSHEX, as per CHANGE.BA INSTRUCTIONS. (Sysop .^Dave^.) Without the line number we can't look at the code to see what is going wrong, but it sounds to me that you were asking CHANGE to work on a file that it can't handle. What is extension for DOSHEX and what is DOSHEX??? Not in my index. (John s.) DOSHEX is the name suggested to download DSKMGR. DOSHEX.DO, that is. I was having error report problems w/xmodem.312 also, (Jim (TX)) Could it be that John here stripped too much off the DSKMGR file. Did you take the numbers from the beginning and end?? (John s.) no ... (Sysop .^Dave^.) Tony?? I'm not acquainted with DOSHEX (Jim (TX)) Guys. DOSHEX is DSKMGR (Sysop Tony) Neither am I. I downloaded it once. Followed instructions. Converted it with CHANGE and it worked fine. (Sysop .^Dave^.) John the thought occurs to me that you may have sump'n stuck in HIMEM giving you problems when CHANGE and XMODEM try to do some PEEK and POKE and CALL work; suggest you do CLEAR 256,MAXRAM .... (rowlfe) [or something corrupted in the DOSHEX file, mebbe] (Sysop .^Dave^.) try again, without FLOPPY loaded for instance ... and if necessary do a cold start and try again. If still no luck then leave a message with details, including line numbers ... and the number of pork chops you had in 1977. (John s.) I've been clearing 256,maxram to avoid what you're describing. I'll go thru my routine again, take notes, post a message w/details and MAXPORK. (Sysop .^Dave^.) also be sure to use DOWNCK.WM3 on the DOSHEX first!!! (markN) I found a LISP emulator written in basic a short while ago on a cp/m bbs but a couple of lines had gotten trashed. i haven't had time or inspiration to it working as yet but if someone else wants to give it a shot i can upload if there is interest. (Sysop .^Dave^.) Okay Mark might leave a message on the board ... Since we seem to be faring FORTH guess we can try to LISP limply too. (Roman K) Is there anything in the library about connecting epsons to the 200? (Sysop Tony) A number of such files. Mostly in DL0. EPSON.HLP is one of them. Try looking with the keyword EPSON. (Sysop .^Dave^.) John S is next but I'll anticipate and say that DOWNCK.WM3 is in DL 4 and is a program that reads a .DO file to verify it is the same as the author uploaded. There is a "Checksum" in the file description of DSKMGR. (Sysop .^Dave^.) Next week I'm going to make a stab at starting a series. "Basic programming" next week .... (John s.) About xmodem. Which, if any, of the xmodem versions in the dl's is preferable? (Sysop .^Dave^.) XMODEM.312 by far in my opinion. (rowlfe) [concur. use it regularly] (John s.) I was afraid of that. (Sysop .^Dave^.) Use DOWNCK on that too!! (SCOTT FIGGINS) ok i was wondering if anyone knew of a disk program for the 3.5" drive that could be used in telecommunications (Sysop .^Dave^.) Which drive?? TDD or Chipmunk?? (SCOTT FIGGINS) tdd (Sysop Tony) DSKTRM and an external modem will allow you to simulate downloading to disk, which is what you are probably trying for. right? (SCOTT FIGGINS) well yas and no I would like to be able to still be portable and is the model 100 capable of a task using both the modem and rs-232 (rowlfe) [nope.] (Sysop Tony) The Model 100 is not capable of receiving data via the modem, and sending it to the RS-232 port at the same time. (PaulS) Regarding CALLS to BASIC: Is there a GENERAL way to execute a BASIC command and then RETurn to my MACHINE CODE program? [anybody]. (Sysop .^Dave^.) [Nope.] Anybody?? (PaulS) [ah well... nice try, huh?] (markN) should at least be able to do basic command ... (PaulS) [oh boy, oh boy] (markN) and poke call into command buffer to get back to ML pgm (maybe ??) (Sysop .^Dave^.) Mebbe, but doubt it. Paul, what you must needs do is: 1) See if Waite's "Hidden Powers of the Model 100" can help ... 2) See if Oppedahl's "Inside the TRS-80 Model 100" can help ... [when it becomes available late this month] 3) Experimentalize the 100 way .... (John s.) Any idea where I could order those books? (Sysop .^Dave^.) Try Walden or Dalton .... Oppedahl; Weber Systems, Inc.; Cleveland, Ohio 800-851-6018 the ISBN = 0-938862-31-6 and then the Waite stuff is New American Library; 1633 Broadway New York, N.Y. 10019 --- best I can do for you ... (JOE BARK) have you heard if U-rom II is being shipped for 200 yet? (Sysop .^Dave^.) Haven't heard but doubt it .... Tony?? You notice 200 stuff I overlook. (Sysop Tony) (Yes we've heard... No it isn't) (JOE BARK) any reviews on how it will differ from urom? (Sysop Tony) Two weeks away yet.... (maybe) (Sysop .^Dave^.) Doesn't have spreadsheet but the 200 has one anyway. May be a toss up therefore, as far as 200 is concerned. [Editor: Dave thought Joe asked for Super ROM vs U-Rom II comparison] (Sysop Tony) (Reviews not generally available until unit is available) (GENE NESTRO) Comment: I've been reading for about 2 yrs now about dowmloading etc. 'Xmodem' etc. & I'm perfectly happy with built-in sofrware in the 100 as far as d/l from BBs... any one else feel this way? (>Joe B.<) (me too!) (Sysop Tony) (Me!) (Sysop .^Dave^.) from my viewpoint, the main need for XMODEM is on the part of the author/uploader to ensure a good upload, and on the part of the sysop to make sure that the file is a good one. XMODEM upload also permits program line lengths up to 255 characters which permits some program enhancements. However, for downloading purposes alone, if Telcom works, why bother with XMODEM?? Of course, in some situations you may need it but ... (rowlfe) I usually use xmodem to get the program part, but then only if I have noticed noise on the phone line prior to connect. The main reason why xmodem got written was the poor quality of long distance connections, which has since improved greatly. However, there are still pockets of bad "connections" all over the US where it will save connect time, since it senses errors and asks for the block to be transmitted. If you have a clean line, you probably will never need it at 300 baud, but at 1200 or now 2400, the situation of noise garbling data is again on the rise. (Sysop .^Dave^.) N'other point: A long HEX file that has to be converted to machine code could cause MUCHO problems with an "A" received as an "F" or a 0 becoming a 1 or whatever ... (rowlfe) [if'n it is glitched, you have to download it ALL over again, too!] (GENE NESTRO) I use it for HEX files and am completly satisfied. I also notice it seems to run about 450 baud which I relly enjoy. I'm pne of the users that Xmodem.312 crashes Floppy.Co but with Flipml.Ba there is no conflict. (Sysop .^Dave^.) Glad to hear that, no need for FLOPPY and XMODEM simultaneously. (markN) back to john s's q on call to basic command from ml... aren't most basic commands ended w/ a ml return? 0c9H or simular. (Sysop .^Dave^.) Mark, that stuff is beyond me entirely and I wouldn't know a 0c9H from a H9c0 ..... sorry 'bout that ... (Sysop .^Dave^.) END of conference ... Next week, be prepared to talk Basic ... All go to Yak-yak mode now. 1:02:43 PM EST Sunday, March 2, 1986 User ID Nod Handle ----------- --- ------------ 70110,155 QAI Steve F 70125,1351 CSJ DAN DIBLE 70126,157 DCI JOHN L BERGER 70466,1511 BTM Maddi 70466,1533 ATM BOB J 71216,1564 QKA Eiji 71326,1306 DCI BRUCE ROEMMELT 72116,1374 QAI BOB S. 72207,3402 MAD John s. 72216,512 RPA GENE NESTRO 72237,344 CAP Roman K 72245,66 QLA James M. Irsik 72276,3505 ANA john k 72306,1776 NNM markN 72407,3224 SYR Marty T 72517,1077 CAP DOUG M 72527,1246 LEX >Joe B.< 72737,3431 RAL Bob R 72737,625 QEI CURTIS MOHOMMED 72757,3055 STK PaulS 73117,3124 NYJ RAY & RITA 73765,605 NYJ larry l 74405,1177 SDC rowlfe 75725,1130 CVK Curtis G 75776,3061 HOO jim (TX) 76257,2042 QKA SCOTT FIGGINS 76576,772 CAP JOHN CARMICHAEL 76703,4062 SIE Sysop Tony 76703,446 BMD Sysop .^Dave^.