OUTLIN.THD --- Copyright 1987 by Phil Wheeler An original compilation of Compuserve Model 100 Forum messages for use by Forum members only. A question was asked about outliners, for the Tandy 200 as I recall. Unfortunately, I've lost track of the original question -- but the replies are all here. Topics include comparisons of the various available M100/102/200 outline programs (commercial and in the DL's) and the transfer of their outline files to desktop outliners such as ThinkTank. The file ends with a new question -- which may breed yet another THD. Message range: 153760 to 154268 Dates: 7/31/87 to 8/6/87 Sb: #OUTLINERS Fm: Phil Wheeler 71266,125 To: DEVON DECKER 72447,1210 There is a very good Model 100 outliner here for the downloading -- and a merge file to modify it for use on the Tandy 200. In DL2, get THINK.DOC, THINK.DO3 & THINK.IT3. Then go to DL10 and get THINK.MRG. Need help with it just ask. There are better commercial programs, but thjis one is pretty good -- and it's a good way to get into it and see if you like outlining on your 200 Fm: DEVON DECKER 72447,1210 To: Phil Wheeler 71266,125 THANKS FOR THE HELP. I'LL CHECK IT OUT. I HAVE USED SOME OUTLINE PROGRAMS ON OTHER MACHINES AND REALLY LIKE THEM. I AM NEW TO LAPTOPS AND AM TRYING TO FIND THE BEST BUSINESS APP PROGRAMS. SINCE I POSTED MY MESSAGE, I DECIDED TO PURCHASE A USED M100 RATHER THAN THE 200. THANKS AGAIN. Fm: Phil Wheeler 71266,125 To: DEVON DECKER 72447,1210 (In my opinion) good decision. And in the opinion area, I think THOUGHT in the SuperROM chip is the nicest outliner for these machines (feels a lot like Ready!). But then T-WORD (in Ultimate ROM II or Sardine) is the best writing program. My compromise is to use T-WORD in ROM with THINK in RAM. Fm: Howard A. Cohen 72416,710 To: DEVON DECKER 72447,1210 I use outliners extensively and agree with the other messages sent to you. I have both UR-2 and SuperROM, and find that Idea! in UR-2 is very slow because it is written in BASIC, while the outliner in SuperROM is very fast as a machine language program. One the other hand, you can get a conversion program which will operate on a PC to convert Idea! outlines to/from Living Videotext's structured text file format, usable by READY!, ThinkTank, and PC-Outline. You could thus work on the same file in a PC and the M100! I use all of these programs and have done this. Another PC outliner I use (its also on the MAC, which I don't use) is MaxThink, which has more "brainstorming" and other advanced features for the PC than any other outliner. There is no direct conversion between MaxT and the M100 programs yet, but MaxT uses just plain ASCII files with spaces to distinguish levels (the other programs use codes to do so). I should be able to convert UR-2 files to MaxThink, with or without programming, and if I can, I shall be able to have the speed of SuperROM and the convenience of working on the PCs as well. Fm: Phil Wheeler 71266,125 To: Howard A. Cohen 72416,710 FYI, Howard. I believe there is a file here which will do conversions from THINK.IT <--> Ready!/ThinkTank. If interested, look at THKRDY.ARC in DL2. Given my current limit of one ROM, it is Sardine. So (with 8 banks) I keep THINK-IT (my own hack of the "for sale" version) in one of my banks -- 'cuz I find outlining a neat way to prpare for meetings, brainstorm, etc. And Larry Groebe has come up with a nifty way to make the screen/kbd work fast in Basic. Fm: DEVON DECKER 72447,1210 To: Phil Wheeler 71266,125 I CAN SEE THAT YOUR SENTIMENTS ABOUT THE OUTLINER IN SUPEROM BEING BETTER IS SHARED BY MANY. [Ed. Note: The "many" was Howard's message, sent three times!]. FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD THE MAIN KNOCK ON IDEA! IS IT'S SLOWNESS. THAT WOULD ANNOY ME. HOW DO YOU MANAGE TO GET THE SUPERROM OUTLINER IN RAM? IS IT AVAILABLE ON DISK OR TAPE? Fm: DEVON DECKER 72447,1210 To: Howard A. Cohen 72416,710 Thanks for the information. I am very intrested in the ability to convert the outlines back and forth to and from my PC/AT clone. I'm presently using Framework on the PC for my outlines. It's files are stored in ASCII form. Let me know if you come up with some kind of a conversion program. By the way, is Maxthink a commercial program? Fm: Phil Wheeler 71266,125 To: DEVON DECKER 72447,1210 There is some confusion here, Devon. We are speaking of three diferent outliners. 1) Idea! is in Ultimate ROM II 2) THOUGHT is in Super ROM 3) THINK-IT is a RAM program which you can download from DL2. Idea! is also available in RAM form, I believe. THINK-IT is the one I use in RAM. The latest version available here is THINK.IT3 (DL2), with THINK.MRG (DL10) converting that to a 200 version. The documentation is THINK.DOC & THINK.DO3 (DL2). I own both UR-2 and SuperROM. When I have S-ROM in, I use THOUGHT. Otherwise (and mostly) I use THINK-IT. Fm: DEVON DECKER 72447,1210 To: Phil Wheeler 71266,125 I THINK THAT I'VE GOT IT FIGURED OUT NOW, PHIL. THANKS FOR THE HELP. I JUST DL'D THINKIT3 AND AM PLAYING WITH IT. Fm: Howard A. Cohen 72416,710 To: DEVON DECKER 72447,1210 MaxThink is a commerical program from MaxThink, Inc. 415-428-0104. But only for PCs, Macs, maybe Amiga, but certainly not any Tandy no-MS-DOS machines. Fm: Larry E. Kaufman 73125,1376 To: all Does anyone know of a program to convert Idea files to Maxthink (IBM PC) and vice versa ?